Ironically, the royalty for an SACD was the same as for a CD: $. Vinyl: SACD offers digital precision, while vinyl provides analog warmth and character. At least they aren’t loudified. Location: United States. S. This opinion is based on over 2 dozen CD, SACD/CD players and transport/DACS I've heard here over the past 18 months. Bluebook The right price. Quick links. But I don't have an LP with the exact same mastering as an SACD so I can't do any type of apples-to-apples comparison (and even then equipment comes in to play). But I do own the original US CD and '93 remaster, along with the vinyl which is a skip-fest sadly. The difference between DSD and the source vinyl was very, very slight and I am not sure I could tell the difference on any given day. It was released on two formats: On vinyl record, as an Ultradisc ‘One-Step’ Limited Edition 33⅓ rpm LP, pressed on Neotech’s Super Vinyl™ contained in a commemorative slip box, (and), on CD, as a single Ultradisc 'UHR' Super Audio Compact Disc (SACD) contained in a gatefold card sleeve. Australia. It has long been believed that the human ear cannot hear frequencies above 22 kHz. (1993 Sony Japan SRCS-6827) Pearl Jam-Yield (1998 Epic Vinyl E 68164) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (1983 Toshiba Japan Black Triangle De Emph CP35-3017) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (1993 EMI 20th Anniv 0777 7 81479 2 3) Pink Floyd-The Dark Side Of The Moon (2003 EMI SACD HR 7243 582136 2 1) Pink Floyd-The Wall (D1) (2006 EMI. SACD offers pristine, high-resolution digital audio with exceptional detail, while vinyl provides a warm, analog character and a tactile, nostalgic experience. Then I bought the new SACD version. In other forum in Madrid we have carried out the test with the Stereophile material and I'm anxious to know if yo have done the same overhere and what results you have obtained. Vinyl for me. Native DSD64 (SACD) is better still and DSD128 recordings are amazingly good. The LP may sound more natural and "warm". Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . It's about the music you like. Probably the highest quality classical recording I own. It might not bother some people though. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. Every time. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. All titles are mastered from the original analog tapes by Bernie. . Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Vinyl. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Maybe no better overall than any other version. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. It also provides a higher bit rate and longer. Bluntness acknowledged as you being quite passionate, or convinced that the 20th anniversary SACD version is poor at best It was actually the first SACD I bought many years ago, even without owning an SACD capable player at the time. I would be interested to hear what you guys think as well!Maybe I should have included the current MOFI SACD & vinyl. Order by Phone Toll Free 1-888-926-2564 Fax 785-825-0156 Phone Outside USA 785-825-8609 Email UsMoody Blues "Question of bal. But, Keith's drumming track seems lack lustre and 'dull', imo. I have a few titles on both vinyl, r2r, cd and SACD. Smoother, more open, and slightly fuller than redbook, without the added distortion of vinyl or the oddness in the upper registers heard on SACD. I collect and have sizable collection of vinyl from 23 years of solid collecting. Roland. The real difference between various releases is the quality of the mastering. These have to be the quietest set of CDs to be mastered in the “modern era”. "No matter how high a sampling rate is," Wired's. SACD vs. The RCA CD of Respighi’s Pines of Rome opens with a wall of sound plastered along the frontal plane of the speakers. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Dam and Dorian75 like this. Roxanne Joncas Soundstage determines the stereo image width you perceive between the speakers. gloomrider, Feb 20, 2014 #177. It's not exactly chopped liver sonically as I recall, but I will likely go for the MFSL SACD as well, if only to get a nice redbook to boot. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. That leaves Soft Parade which also was released by Audio Fidelity. better stereo separation, etc. Still waiting form "Brothers in Arms" on SACD I have also ordered the MoFi vinyl releases of: "Love Over Gold", "Dire Straits" and "Brothers in Arms" I look forward to comparing SACD vs Vinyl *reelspin* My thought process is I should buy them while they are relatively new and prices have not reached $200+ each yet. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. The real advantage of a (multichannel) SACD player is the ability to listen to the surround sound recording. Then I bought the new SACD version. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Sample Rate: 2. SACD vs. Much better sense of the recording environment, echos. I don't know which is more truthful. • 180 Gram Vinyl Record. DSD uses delta-sigma modulation a form of pulse-density modulation encoding, a technique to represent audio signals in digital format, a sequence of single-bit values at a sampling rate of 2. For vinyl releases, I have this pressing, a MFSL pressing and a late 70's/early 80's US pressing (which is now pretty worn) and I prefer the MFSL version. he worst is shelling out $25 or $30 for either and after a long search and sometimes a long wait for import or re-pressing, the thing sounds. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. The ABCX-758A/B as mentioned above is my favorite. I am not sure if it is a great. Kyhl, Aug 10, 2022 #19652. Both needed to be set up properly and tracked at their maximum rated vertical tracking force. Same thing goes for SACD. But CDs are fine. Should I buy the Deluxe edition for my Blu ray player that plays SACD or buy the Vinyl for an actual Vinyl player I would have to buy. the interesting part for me was the number of copies for this set. There’s no shortage of non audiophile hybrid disks that are $35+ vs. Mirror Image, Sep 16, 2022. And I'm not all that hot on CDs. The best of both worlds is vinyl ripped on a very high end rig in High res and then converted to DSD. Discussion in 'Music Corner' started by fluffskul, Apr 26, 2012. This is the reason why Pink Floyd did NOT consider Alan Parsons. Be fun to have that and play mastering engineer. I have to say that 3 songs into the SACD I shut it off and went back to the vinyl. Cardioid microphones are a good choice for general-purpose recording and live sound reinforcement, while supercardioid microphones are better suited for more challenging environments where there is a lot of ambient noise and the sound source needs to be isolated more tightly. psulioninks Forum Resident Thread Starter. But Sony is almost 4 times more. All that being written, the dilemma, SACD vs. 6%. SACD Players SACD stands for Super Audio CD. That depends on what you are looking for. Low Noise Floor: SACDs tend to have a lower noise floor compared to vinyl records, which means less background noise or surface noise during playback. I have two completely different setups for vinyl, and digital, and my vinyl is always a little more bass and drums heavy, past that, no glaring differences. I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. An independent musician needs to make CDs Disc replication vs. SACD vs. First, All music is on Vinyl. . View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Visit Homepage . My favourite Mix of Dark Side of the Moon is a Bootleg believe it or not , The Alan Parsons Original Quadrophonic Mix. I voted 'Who Cares. Sex Lies And Master Tapes, Sep 16, 2022. CD. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. New items New comments Author list Series Latest content Latest updates Latest reviews. The wait is over for the Analogue Productions SACD. The separation between the left and right channels on vinyl is 30dB, compared to digital files, which exceed 90 dB. A masterpiece SACD set. With respect to SACD vs. shadorne. Consequently, the Super Audio CD (SACD) was developed by Philips and Sony. DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. So far my favorites from each format are as follows: SACD: Eric Clapton - Journeyman DVD-A: Fleetwood Mac - Rumors DVD (Dolby Digital/DTS): Eagles. The thing that I found most interesting when reviewing the first-time LP record pressing of George Harrison’s 1992 live album — called simply Live In Japan — was not the high quality, dark black, perfectly. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. ”. SACD vs. It may still. SACD vs. $12. The gap. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. • The first international release of the recording on Hybrid SACDs, allowing listeners to hear the enhanced resolution of these new transfers and playable on all CD players • The first and only complete Wagner Ring cycle available in Dolby Atmos Channel separation. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. . Vinyl Box Sets Numbered Limited Edition UltraDisc One-Step 45rpm SuperVinyl 2LP Box Set AMOBUD 028 $124. KevinP, May 21, 2009 #52. The SACD is wonderful sounding reworking, giving the very believable and acceptable illusion that the original recording was pretty good. I want the best sound. It is a high-resolution digital. On the one hand, Norah Jone's 2012 Come Away with Me SACD has better overall sound quality (dynamic range, detail, etc. tlake6659 said: ↑. Location: Finland. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more, go for the SACD. Even better than the regular SACD with even clearer presentation. The vinyl was much better. 8224 MHz (64 times that of CD) Bit Depth: 1-bit (compared to CD’s 16-bit) Channels: Multi-channel (up to 6) and stereo Storage Capacity: Typically 4. but for every song, the DR value is "one less" on the SACD vs CD. Or sign in with one of these services. Yes, but SACD's extend far above redbook. New posts Search forums. The data is read by a laser, and then decoded to produce audio playback. Fourth - 45 rpm vinyl . #4. I agree with you about surface noise. I decided to include CD quality as well – and a couple other comparisons thrown in for good measure. I own the SHM-CDs of all the early Steely Dan albums ( Can't Buy A Trill through Gaucho) and I'm more than pleased with the fidelity of these issues. Vinyl depends on a mechanically driven system, and any such system will introduce minute changes in the speed and pitch of playback. I wrote I was somewhat pleased with the mastering. Between vinyl and SACD, I buy SACD. Home. They are not cheap but not the most expensive of the DCC discs. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and onl. is the world leader in audiophile music. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. I think I'll go Classic Records Vinyl at least for the first three albums, possibly "Passion" and "Us" too because those are also analog recordings also if I remember correctly. #4. SACD has less expensive equipment than vinyl and it requires a whole lot less fuss to run. Tullman, Jul 31,. The vinyl appears to be analogue mastered so if you value an all-analogue chain that would be an advantage. Usually, more attention was paid to the mastering of 50s and 60s LPs and currently, SACDs. It is a high-resolution digital. But in the last month I have finally picked up an SACD player and I was looking to pick up the SACD of Dark Side, in fact I had started to price them when I saw this. First I played my vinyl copy yesterday and found it be exquisite. vinyl, I'm surprised no one has brought up the concept of DSD's "euphoric distortion" and how that might relate to the perception of increased sound quality. 4. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. As noted in my previous post [link], the Forum didn’t want to pay the $. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. Joined Mar. The higher resolution of the blu ray might also explain the audible tape hiss not heard on the cd. November 4th for CBAT. High Resolution: SACD offers a significantly higher sample rate and bit depth, resulting in more accurate and. Plan9 Mastering Engineer. New media New comments Browse Albums Search media. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. . SACD vs. I don’t care what they claim they did to the CD. I hate the snaps clicks and pops of vinyl. Certainly better than 3 or 4 other vinyl versions I have owned over the years. Also note that the CD vs Vinyl, or Digital vs Analog is a pointless debate because it is not the format that compromises music, it is the content. SACD (white) vs Bluray (blue) The pressing quality of 2022 vinyl is not always perfect, but often a wash will solve the problem. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. Vinyl is better than CD because it reproduces higher frequencies than CD and avoids anti-aliasing filter issues at the frequencies CDs can reproduce. . DANKOSKY: We'll be talking a bit about some of these new, modern ways of compressing music. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. However, I think it's still too early to answer this question even with identically mastered sources recorded and played back on state-of-the-art equipment optimized for. The curve below compares the spectra of vinyl and SACD. Along with LPs, SACDs, reel-to-reel tape and other forms of high-quality audio. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. And so on. It may still engage me more, even if the SQ overall is not as pristine as an SACD. The 16/44. of the Dark Side of the Moon, is NOT good sonically. Although this recording was digital, the Parsons 2017 remaster actually sounds more analogue than the original cd. Just trust your ears, as I do mine. 11-16-2011 at 02:28pm. The SACD is definitely much more forward and vivid across the board, with ringing steel strings and a real bite to the violin. This is really about "The Downward Spiral" re-release. Followers 0SACD, DVD-A, vs CD. kevintomb Forum Resident. LeeS said: ↑. I would think that the Vinyl will sound better than the standard CD. Page 1. #4. Moody Blues "Question of bal. Vinyl. . The versions are dynamic with a DR12 and from master in DSD except for the vinyl which is pure analog. It sounds like MoFi master their vinyl and SACD separately. This setup would be more flexible and cheaper overall. Quick links. I like Analogue Productions' work, so it should be interesting to hear how they sound. 1 kHz sampling rate, SACD samples at 2. 4) Making Movies - muted, no drum slam, muted highs. in May of 1967, one week before Sgt. I like both; but am buying more hi-q vinyl than SACD, DVD-A, or HDCD simply because remastered 180g vinyl is easier to find in the genres I listen to: Rock, alt. Again, though, the Blu-Spec CD sounded better than the regular CD - just a bit more fuller, more definition and tighter bass and treble extension over the CD. 10 per disc, while the royalty on a DVD-Audio disc was around four times higher. I don't know which is more truthful. Vinyl. sacd superior to rbcd Login / RegisterAllowing for the quality of the youtube audio , that is pretty much what you would expect to hear from those 3 different masters and Its not really fair to say its a CD vs SACD vs Vinyl thing. Vinyl. I cant tell the difference with the CD's as they dont have as much range and clarity as the other 2. I sampled a bunch of SACDs and kept finding differences that were attributable to different mastering and. Would someone out there who has the vinyl and has compared it to either the MFSL CD or the newer SACD please. However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. However, I have tested the EQ of my cartridge and phono stage and in all the following examples, that EQ has been reversed out of the vinyl samples so that what we're comparing is the true EQ of what's in the LP groove. . Thread Status: Not open for further replies. I have 30 year old Sony belt drive TT with a SME 3 arm and blue point cartridge vs a Sony 777ES. Forums. The vinyl is top notch too. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. Submitted by Irwin on Sun, 2015-04-26 01:07 . To finish with the digital versions, the version in 360 (RA) Reality Audio brings a great rendering. General observations: * The Who - SHM-SACD is quite clean - I can easily move in and out of each track within each song so there is vg clarity. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. Menu. all on Hybrid Multichannel SACD, in a special edition box set limited to 2,500 numbered copies! Also available as 45 RPM double LPs in a box set. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to. Nantes, France. Analog sources- CD vs. . bmpnyc. I don't know which is more truthful. In my experience, 96/24 is only slightly better than 44/16. Japanese Import. Tom Favata, Apr 9, 2021. SHM-SACD vs Original LP/Original LP-rip, Original CD and other reissues. Which format do you like the most, or find to be the closest to the original master tapes? Or, if you attend live concerts (or play and instrument), which format do you prefer and why? wenterprisesnw 02-04-2000 7:53pm. On the other hand, Vinyl records have a larger dynamic range than SACDs, which means that they can accurately reproduce louder and softer sounds. Since this is just for SACD vs SACD I'll start a thread on my preferred mastering for jazz and classical for all digital formats. Location: Daejeon. Hendersonville, Tennessee Home of Cash & Orbison. Pepper hit the charts. The vinyl reissues of this title (box set and standalone) are revelatory. While vinyl records, in theory, directly encode a smooth audio wave, CDs sample that audio wave at various points and then collate those samples. Might as well jump: Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab has announced that Van Halen's first six multi-platinum albums originally released on the Warner Bros. 10/disc royalty for CDs. . I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. The MoFi vinyl is a real eye-opener. Kevin Gray's work is superior, no matter the format. Given the same mastering, vinyl is still better than redbook. Hi commsysman. . Midrange is sweet. I, obviously, played the vinyl on my Clearaudio Concept TT. But the dramatic difference occurs in vinyl. Dynamics are out of this world. Music41 said: ↑. Examples: AcousticSounds offers 1,614 titles on SACD and 28,670 on vinyl. I chose Mono because these titles interested me the most. Packaging: Nicest packaging and faithful reproduction of the original album. Both formats have their own unique advantages and disadvantages, so it can be tough to decide which one is right for you. 0:00 - LP2. The real difference. This is the first time the. CD - page 2 Filters for SACD and DVD-Audio . SACD vs Vinyl Read More » 3) S/T Dire Straits - sounded good, but a bit underwhelming. Although the MFSL version is very clear and precise, the SACD version is more expansive and full. Now, don't shoot me, but, I think my CCR SACD's are some of the worst sounding SACD's I have heard. I run through a comparison review about this subject today. Home. I've not jumped on the SACD bandwagon. SACD’s technical advantages, high resolution, dynamic range, and low noise. This album can sound really good. The string attack, decay, soundstage, and imaging are way ahead of the SACD. Video and Audio Formats on Plastic – Part 3 is an introduction to audio formats on CD, SACD, DVD, DVDA and Blu-Ray. The SACD format supports multiple audio channels, a very high digital sampling rate, and longer playing time. There's no real difference between the sound characteristics of vinyl, SACD or CD. DVD-Audio vs Vinyl vs. I've got a pretty good setup for vinyl and digital audio files, but I have an opportunity to get a "minty" 10-yr old audiophile-grade CD/SACD player for $350. Show Printable Version; 12-12-2012, 03:54 AM #31. The only significant differences are in noise. The SACD format allows multiple audio channels (i. I'm generally rather selective about my SACD purchases and only have about 25-30SACD recordings now although I plan to order a lot more as more and more reissues come out. . " The album topped the Billboard chart for a week, and remained on the chart for 741 weeks from 1973 to 1988. My guess is that if they wanted to tweak the SACD to match the sound of the final vinyl pressing, they probably could…. . 99. The vocals are real, the acoustic guitars are EQ'd perfectly. Tony Plachy, Jan 7, 2015. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. I prefer the SACD. 4 restitution, but in binaural, this version does not follow the fineness and the presence of the stereo vinyl and SACD versions. I think there's some digital filtering. " For classical I prefer SACD due to the format's running time though. This is pure DSD sound to applaud! Axis: Bold As Love, the sensational sophomore release of the Jimi Hendrix Experience, showcased Hendrix's expansive experimentation while acknowledging his early R&B and soul music influences. On the other hand digital has advantages in terms of low noise, low distortion etc so if you value that more,. The standard CD format is a 2-channel, 16-bit, 44. ) than the original 2002 redbook CD. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Mirror Image Forum Resident. Quote: Originally Posted by daltonlanny CD's actually have a better signal to noise ratio in the top octave, and better dynamic range in the upper octave than SACD's do. SACD has no digital filter and relies totally on the analog low pass filter at the output of the DAC. The album features classics such as "Spanish Castle Magic," "Little Wing," "Castles Made Of Sand,". I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Most are remasters of jazz, blues, classical or classic rock/pop titles. SACD vs. Whether you are just getting started building a classical music collection, or a seasoned collector, there are many ways in which to enjoy the music. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. UPC: 093624979340: Availability:. Please, bear in mind that I have NO original vinyls to compare to, only the early CDs of Shake It Up and Greatest Hits: 1) Shake It Up - the worse pressing from the three. I've heard people say that this album isn't recorded as well as the albums to come, and to that I disagree. Actually, probably the biggest difference that I have seen with the SACD format. . SHM-SACD vs UK Vinyl. I bought 2 each ten years ago or so. 7 to 8. Then I bought the new SACD version. Endymion, Apr 22, 2015. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Vinyl. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Owned by CEO Chad Kassem, who founded the company in 1986, Acoustic Sounds is a global retailer of the largest selection of highest-quality music in a variety of formats. vinyl. the HDCD, the single-layer SACD, the MFSL SACD and vinyl, the Audio Fidelity vinyl, and the RSD candy-colored 150-numbered-limited pressing. Link to comment Share on other sites. Sponsor NewsMini-meet Shootout: AKG K1000 vs. 5 gigabytes (GB) Advantages of SACD. SACD disc and the DSD encoding (on a SACD) are a "frozen in time" tech circa 2005. for making the SACD version, and instead they CHOSE James Guthrie, who was an engineer producing, e. Quote: Originally posted by kelly jopi The largest problem I have with these subjective opinions is that rarely are both the SACD player and the turntable system of equal quality. I don't like SACD. Here are my impressions. I've noticed a surfeit in the cost and availability of SACD's - prices are really cheap for some top notch music, often recorded in Europe with the cost for many disks below $12- with shipping no less! I'm in the process of digitizing my vinyl along with ripping hundreds of CD's to my Mac, but I also like playing. Virtual Systems Let the world see what you've built. The OP asked specifically if an SHM-Platinum CD sounds better than the redbook layer of a Hybrid-SACD. The SACD versions bring the best of the digital versions with the MOFI SACD followed by the 1999 SACD. One is the MFSL version which I loved. Vinyl. . I was a teen in the 60's and don't remember them sounding this bad. The authors aren’t saying that high-res digital might sound a little different from Red Book CD but is no better. SACD is a very nice addition if you maintain a decent stationary rig anyway. I listen mainly to vinyl via a Marantz TT15 Benz Wood SH MC combo. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. 1kHz/16-bit digital audio is indistinguishable from high-resolution digital. . The 2003 hybrid SACD and the MFSL feature the original mix, but they have inferior sound to the JWH tracks which appear on the 1997 Biograph remaster and the 1999 GHII remaster. I no longer have the capability of playing vinyl. I don't know which is more truthful. So - the SACD ain't the original, but it's a much better option than anything on vinyl except the MoFi vinyl issue. After an extensive shoot-out lasting 53 hours, I'm. The quantization noise floor for 16-bit digital audio (the CD standard) is -96 dB, each bit yielding 6 dB of headroom between the noise floor and the ceiling. SACD Players VS Vinyl Read More » The hybrid just has a separate layer for the CD bits. One example is excess Volume Compression in modern music. You will enjoy the contrast and comparison. I've a Sony XA7ES cd player that has served me well over the years, but even it doesn't get enough play to.